thanks, I'm pretty fired up about the product, somewhat less so about php. I spent about an hour simply trying to include my library class file from my test directory test file. The product allows me to step through, see the value of all variables in the underlying php functions (not my code, but php), mouse over and see everything, see exactly what the error is. It let's me use class explorer. I can use "show references" and "go to function definition". IMHO a much nicer programming experience than VS Code, and I like VS Code a lot. License expired 60 minutes ago, and dug out the personal visa, although this is for a work project.